My complete AMOG friend

[Johnny Providence]

So my good friend is the biggest AMOG ever. hes worth millions, has 3 cars(at college) and whenever there is any conversation he IMMEDIATELY steals the show, it doesnt matter who he is with(he even did it to bam marghera in west chester). hes great to go out with because he games on every girl he sees, and gets atleast 2 numbers a day and never even calls them! the problem is i cant get out of his shadow. how do i game on girls when it is almost impossible to seem alpha when this guy is the most alpha male ever?

[LINK]

I would just suggest to try to isolate if possible, and avoid the guy so he won't interfere, but there are techniques to shut him down and make him look like the fool.

Does he just come up to girls you are talking to and interrupt?

[Nick Krygier]

Look up some of TDs posts about AMOG. They have a good breakdown of situations and examples that can jumpstart you in the right direction.

IMO

There are two types of alpha males
1. natural alpha
2. pua alpha

pua alpha > natural alpha
on so many levels

[Johnny Providence]

i dont want to debo him hes one of my good friends. i dont think he tries to interrupt its just he is always somehow the center of attention, and if he isnt he will throw hundreds or thousands of dollars around with no hesitation. that or he will talk about the 10 million dollar plane he owns. and let me tell you, as soon as he says that, EVERY SINGLE GIRL IN THE ROOM TOUCHES THEIR HAIR. its amazing, they all do it at the same time, it almost looks synchronized

[LINK]

Originally Posted by Mithra

he will throw hundreds or thousands of dollars around with no hesitation. that or he will talk about the 10 million dollar plane he owns. and let me tell you, as soon as he says that, EVERY SINGLE GIRL IN THE ROOM TOUCHES THEIR HAIR. its amazing, they all do it at the same time, it almost looks synchronized

That's pretty lame if you ask me. I understand you don't want to shut him down...
Think about the quality of girl you want, you don't want some girl after you just because you have lots of money do you? You want one that will love you for you, not some gold-digger bitch. I actually feel sorry for that guy.

[Hector M.]

I hate to say it Mithra, but this guy is impossible to outwit.

In fact, any guy with money to flaunt and the balls to do it cant be outgamed.

First, we have social proof. He has it at AN UNPRECEDENTED LEVEL! If he can outshine BAM MARGERA, dude, he's near indestructible.

Second, we have Wealth, a factor commonly overlooked by most of us. YES GUYS, WEALTH overpowers natural game, ESPECIALLY since 99.9% of rich kids are naturally confident and somewhat arrogant. Cash is king. If both you (You as in general) and super rich kid have the same game, or even if rich kid has 0.01%, sorry, you lose. That isn't negative outlook, that is REALITY. Those with money make things happen. If you have an 16$ an hour job, and rich kid uses makes 16$ for each step he walks,your fucked. If you make six figures, and rich kid wipes his ASS with benjamins, your fucked.

Yea, bad news. There's really only one advantage, and it might not even work. Because you know rich kid, YOU'RE ALSO THE MAN. Yet, if rich kid seems superalpha (Your friend), then he might super-outshine you to the point where, even though you know him, women will still choose him over you.

...Now, dont take this as dogma Mithra. Honestly, I cant really give you a definitive direction to take this type of person down, as I grew up in the streets, and have no knowledge of how rich kids think, but one thing's for certain: Think UFC fighter vs. Abrams Tank. That's the situation here.

I wish you best of luck.

[Holden]

Don't look as him as a negative, but rather an excellent resource for you.
David DeAngelo recommends hanging around guys like him. Why? Because you can breakdown what he's doing analytically and absorb it into your own game. Find the "thing" that makes him such a AMOG. Is it high energy? Storytelling? Alpha Male traits? etc.

And hey, he's your friend. You can be honest with him. Tell him your trying to be better at interacting with people and if he could help you out (on the DL). If he's any kinda friend and you're spitting some game he won't do anything to mess it up.

[LINK]

Originally Posted by Holden

Find the "thing" that makes him such a AMOG. Is it high energy? Storytelling? Alpha Male traits? etc.

We already know the answer to this, it's because he's rich and probably arrogant.

[Johnny Providence]

hes the most arrogant guy ever. he walks around school and does whatever the fuck he wants. professors give him good grades because they want his dad to donate millions to the school, as his dad is hands down the richest alumni ever to graduate from the school. (were talking high hundreds of millions of dollars) . he introduces me to the DuPonts, and its great! i just want to learn how to be seen as alpha around him so i can benefit from the social status and make business connections with all of the CEO's he introduces me to.

Pertaining to girls, heres the thing, i could tell him to lay off any girl and he would no questions asked, hes a loyal great guy. the only problem is, its hard for me to look alpha around this guy. how can i be seen as the alpha with a guy who gives away 100$ cigars to the competition, and sprays 400 dollar champagne at the girls?

[Dodger]

If you're good friends with him, use him to your advantage. Ask him to wing for you or something of the sort.
If you want to be Alpha around him show publicly how loyal he is to you (you'll have to use tact to not look like you're using him), but if he's such a High Value guy and he respects you enough to be as loyal as he is you'll come off as a high value guy also. Act as if you and him are of equal value, when sarging try to come off more as a duo of High Value Alpha Males than an alpha and his lackey.
Tell funny stories, show how close both of you are, don't be shy and don't be beta. You'll come off as much of an Alpha male as him if you see him as you're equal than superior than you. Try building him up in front of girls and if he's a good friend as you say he is he'll do the same for you. And getting complimented from such a Alpha male is a huuuuge DHV for you.

Don't be intimidated, he's your good friend, act like it.