Gaming..sober or drunk?

[Orange Slice]

hey guys, i need your opinion on something. im a newbie when it comes to PU. i've read MM, Style's annihilation method, and DD's DYD. i understand the concept and the format, and it seems much easier when im drunk. approaches seem so much easier. but today, i went out with a few friends, and was sober, and not only did i get AA, but i was making excuses for myself from approaching. im 27, and i've been into the club scene since i was 18, so it's not like i was in an unfamiliar territory. so, i was wondering if you guys can give me some tips, tricks and/or exercises to overcome the need to be drunk to PU.

thanks.

ps. this is my first post, and im from Virginia Beach area.

[BigB]

Hey man, so i was a lot the same when i turned 21, i though you nearly had to drink to have fun, but many hangovers and nights over the toilet later i realized this is not true at all. If you want to be a good solid PUA you should not drink, its only going to hurt you. My advice to you would be to go out and just have a beer (limit your drinking, don't get drunk) you shouldn't need that "liquid courage" to approach women.

What i do when i go out and don't drink is order water, it works out just fine.

You will see that after you open a few sets and being to talk to some new people you will get all into it and will be getting a high off that, so there will be no need for alcohol. Just get over the first few sets and you will be ready to go the whole night!

B

[Grin]

first off, Big B is totally right about the not drinking part.
Now wen it comes to approaching HBs, the problem that
most AFCs/newbies have is that they think too much abt
wat they r gonna do. When ur new and u have anxiety
problems; 1. use the 3-second rule, 2. dont think abt
picking her up, just think that u just want to approach n'
learn how to interact well. its okay if u dont walk out wid
her # ...ur a newbie 4 cryin out loud! many newbies go in
the field with a mindset that they cud nvr-ever walk out with
a hottie and SO they have NO fear of failure, its all abt wats
goin on in ur head man. control urself, and u'll soon be a
well achieved PUA!

[LINK]

Go sober. When you go up to the girl, would you rather have that free hand that could be giving out Kino, or drinking down a beer spending your money?

[Achilles]

Or you could take the scientific approach and realize that alcohol slows down MOST brain functions...would you rather have quick witty responses or stand there like an idiot while you try to process what the HB just said?

[Bob]

one thing you'll find interesting is while drinking a lot is bad... having just a beer or two can actually help. Alcohol in small amounts actually acts as a stimulant but in larger amounts depresses the system.. there's an interesting fact for you.. so in essence, having just a beer or two can help.

[BigB]

I agree that there is nothing wrong with a beer or two, but i would recommend you don't get in the habit. You don't ever want to associate alcohol with fun. In order to be a solid PUA you need to be about to get women without the alcohol.

What you will find happens is that you will associate alcohol with sarging women. So when you go out you will have to drink. In the long run this will hurt your game. If anything be able to do it fully sober, then throw in a few drinks.

[Hector M.]

Originally Posted by Orange Slice

hey guys, i need your opinion on something. im a newbie when it comes to PU. i've read MM, Style's annihilation method, and DD's DYD. i understand the concept and the format, and it seems much easier when im drunk. approaches seem so much easier. but today, i went out with a few friends, and was sober, and not only did i get AA, but i was making excuses for myself from approaching. im 27, and i've been into the club scene since i was 18, so it's not like i was in an unfamiliar territory. so, i was wondering if you guys can give me some tips, tricks and/or exercises to overcome the need to be drunk to PU.

thanks.

ps. this is my first post, and im from Virginia Beach area.

Unless there's free beer and/or liquor involved, keep drinking to a minimum.

Personally, alcohol makes every social interaction easier on both parties, proven you can restrain yourself, and know HOW much to drink before you go from believed confidence to talking like a REAL drunk.

Better, however, is to game sober. That way, it'll show the girl you're talking to that you're so cool you dont need beer to be talkative. Total DHV in disguise.

[AshleyL]

If you do not have game while you're sober, and you think you have better game while you're drunk then I strongly suggest getting over inhibitions WHILST sober and ACTUALLY learn/gain gaming skills.

NEWS FLASH: I know this may come as a shock to some, but Alcohol consumption diminishes sexual capability... and in my experience, most of you out there who feel the need to first get drunk to have game, are probably doing so hoping that sex will be had.



...This message has been brought to you by the intelligent female with good grammar and common sense...

[LINK]

Originally Posted by AshleyL

NEWS FLASH: I know this may come as a shock to some, but Alcohol consumption diminishes sexual capability... and in my experience, most of you out there who feel the need to first get drunk to have game, are probably doing so hoping that sex will be had.

Whiskey dick sucks!

[Pav]

Originally Posted by AshleyL

NEWS FLASH: I know this may come as a shock to some, but Alcohol consumption diminishes sexual capability... and in my experience, most of you out there who feel the need to first get drunk to have game, are probably doing so hoping that sex will be had.

By that do you mean whiskey dick as C-DUB said or do you mean that you aren't as good as you could be? Not being able to would be shithouse (haven't experienced it), although having a few drinks can help with stamina. But that in turn is only because alcohol = confidence, and stamina is a mental thing, which is gained by alcohol.

Beer makes you feel like you should without it. So all you need to do is get that feeling without throwing back a few cold ones. Confidence man.

[Ian Smith]

In all reality, it doesn't matter that much.

The idea is that you want to be able to do it as effectively either way. Ideally, you want to be sober, but if you wanna fucking drink, go get one. If you don't, then don't.

But first, be able to have the confidence to game clear-headed and sober-minded. Then, enjoy your liquor, just not too much of course.

[Pav]

Yeah for sure. The ultimate thing is to know that you can game just as well sober as you can after a few. From there on, enjoy yourself, have fun and don't think you are 'bound' by rules of NO DRINK NO DRUGS otherwise you'll get a rap on the knuckles. But being completely smashed makes it extremely hard to pull off anything with quality..

[BigDeez]

Yeah, being shitfaced may be ridiculously fun, but save that for the nights your not looking to get some action. End of story.

[Laura]

I don't know if this is just me...but as a woman, if I am drinking at a bar. I'll tend to go home with a guy that is drinking also. There is something that rubs me wrong about me being drunk having sex with someone who is stone sober. Even if it is just a beer or two. If I'm going to alter my mind-state, I want to be with someone who's in the same position as me.

Although...what Ashley says is true. I'd rather go home with a guy who can keep his solider at attention than a guy who can't get his blood flowing.

P.S - Most of the women I know, will laugh at your face if your in bed with them and can't get your dick up. So...keep that in mind

[EvoJ]

Originally Posted by Laura

P.S - Most of the women I know, will laugh at your face if your in bed with them and can't get your dick up. So...keep that in mind

Yeah, I had this problem twice in the past. One time, the girl I was with started laughing her ass off at me and I said "Damn, must be my body's way of telling me your a whore." I got up, pulled my pants on, and walked off.

I wouldn't have said it if she hadn't laughed.

Also, as a reverse, the second time the girl (different one) started crying, thinking that it was her fault. I took the grenade and said that It was my fault and that it happened to me from time to time. It made her feel better and we were able to have another go later. Sometimes, you shouldn't mind feeling like the loser in the room... especially if it makes someone feel better. (I know this is AFC and I don't care. Sometimes you just gotta take the grenade.)

EvoJ

[shurgs]

Know your objective!

I agree with BigDeez and BOB;



There is nothing wrong with getting wasted every once in a while, but if you are out to game and meet beauties, keep it to a minimum or not at all.


And always have a DD... just as drinking impairs your game its does far worse to your motor skills.

[NickH]

for some reason when i go out, i want to sarge, but i usually forget about it within the first 10 minutes for some reason, maybe its because its always the same people at every party

[Nick Krygier]

So you want to go out and meet girls but can't because of AA and feel that using liquor will alleviate the situation?

Might help, might not but hey it might spark an idea

Make your own conclusions but write them down so you know what works for you. Its all about being conscious of your limit, and realizing what you think you need to approach women so you can change it slowly. Change is a journey not a snap of the fingers.
*This is assuming that you can approach girls when you are drunk like you said

Sarging and alcohol's effect experiement
Night 1
Lets say 12 drinks=hammered for you
Get hammered, possibly even to the point where you can't funtion. Just don't go to the hospital... But to the point where you are easily able to approach people
Hypothetical Conclusion
Ok, so you woke up by yourself, have a hangover most likely (if you didn't then you are already a mPUA and can PU girls even when you can't stand up straight or you got lucky which is awesome for you, however, sad since you had a bad case of the whiskey dick), and last night was a blur. If thats what you were going for then hey! you have found your solution to the problem. But odds are, you didn't get anywhere that night. Lets say it took you 12 drinks to get as drunk as you were...
12 drinks, for you= no k-f-#-close
*Assuming you are a rational person, you realize that you were way too sloppy and the fact that you didn't k-f-#-close was a problem because of the effect of the alcohol. So off to day 2 and no need to retest 12 drinks
Night 2
11 drinks- pretty fucked up. You can't walk but you can barely stand
Hypothetical Conclusion
Same conclusion as the night where you had 12 drinks. One drink at this point doesn't really make too much of a difference.
11 drinks= no k-f-#-close
*Lets skip down a few because you get the point now
Night 5
8 drinks- pretty drunk but your a functionable drunk
Hypothetical Conclusion
Wohoo! You are able to approach people still because the nights before where you were approaching people left and right, all be it, sloppily, you still did it. You even got a sloppy k-close with a drunker girl then you!
8 drinks= sloppy k-close possibly. Most likely no f-closes worthwhile


Basically just keep going down the list. If you start to feel AA go back a day and have one more drink until you feel comfortable moving back down. If you write down your successes and your failures and look at the statistic next to it that states how much alcohol you have consumed then it will help you realize that being drunk doesn't really help things. Once you find a drink limit where you are uncomfortable and get AA, just look at the trend you have created. Most likely, you will see that the more sober you are, the more success you have! This isn't made up shit, its your own life. Just imagine if that trend were to keep going to that next level, say 3 drinks, you might be even more motivated to cut back and improve your buzzed-> slightly buzzed -> sober game.

Might not have helped, I just pulled it out of my ass but oh well. GL

[Pav]

Not bad Jack, but you'd also have to take into consideration the rate of consumption, if you are eating etc. Cos as we all know, 6 beers over a few hours is not the same to 6 beers in 30 mins.

And BigDeez, haha, too right. That's when it's nice to have a girlfriend so you don't need to worry about having your A game on.

[Drak_ool]

i think alcohol makes it easier to approach (lowers your inhibition) but makes it harder to game (you get all sloppy). And even when the girl is responding well, you might wake up the next morning and wished you hadn't gone out (beer goggles anyone?)...

a lot of my friends actually think that they can't go out and have fun/hit on girls if they re not drunk and to prove them wrong i started going out dead sober once in a while. The results were amazing! Hitting on drunk chicks is so much easier when you re sober, it all feels like its in slow motion, pretty much just like fighting a drunk guy

[Nick Krygier]

Originally Posted by Drak_ool

i Hitting on drunk chicks is so much easier when you re sober, it all feels like its in slow motion, pretty much just like fighting a drunk guy

That reminds me of the movie The 40yr old virgin. The way they went around his AA was to not necessarily be drunk himself, but to start out hitting on and talking to drunk girls.


His progression went from:

passed out girl->drunk girl who threw up on him->hot dirty slut->girl of his dreams

I think our main fear from aproaching someone or a set is rejection. When a girl is drunk, I think that they will reject your opener less often. So maybe the approach we have is all wrong, maybe instead of using alcohol to lubricate ourselves, why not take advantage of the looseness of others so we can get used to opening sets with less fear of rejection.

Granted, when your talking to a drunk girl, your game for her and a sober person would be radically different but hey, your working on your AA, you don't even have to talk to her after you open just go to another set

Don't fuck a girl when she is sloshed and you are sober, I may be wrong, but I think it is considered rape, and for a good reason

[Drak_ool]

Originally Posted by Jack

Don't fuck a girl when she is sloshed and you are sober, I may be wrong, but I think it is considered rape, and for a good reason

IT IS considered rape so DON'T do it! I wasn't advocating raping drunk girls, just going up to them and talkin to them to help you get over your AA