Has learning pick-up messed you up in any sort of way?

[Chikito]

When you learn a skill like pick up it empowers you. If your really in a position of power is still up for debate but none the less we can agree that taking control of your life in the way pick-up allows you changes who you are quite drastically. I am currently re-reading alot of the old pick up stuff. And there are a few things I am noticing that it did to me. It created beliefs.

Think about when you first started to learn and what things do you/have identified that is detrimental. Maybe personally or universally to all those who are involved pick up might affect different people in different ways. Sure most of it is nice and good but it is not perfect what have you noticed has changed and you have seen as a negative?


For me:
I realized after a while that pick up creates a very harsh world view, where I felt like I was always the underdog and women were almost all to blame for me not getting what I wanted before I learned how to seduce them. It was then that I used to think that I am beating them at their own game. Or that everything they do is just as malicious and calculated as we think.

Well its not hard to see why I would want to change that. I still feels sometimes when I am greatly out numbered by girls in a discussion that young men are some kind of mistreated and misunderstood minority who get oppressed by society and women in general and it is unjust.

But If you think long enough you can easily see this is just a perception of the world and anyone else perception of reality is individual and subjective to the environment they live in. Some girls might indeed play people to their advantage, some girls might feel completely mistreated in society. Some men might feel like they have all the power, some might feel like they dont but actually do. Some might not have any but feel and therefore act like they do. Its all different.

So what do you guys think?

[Nick Krygier]

Pick up simply gave me another mask to try on. It has given me more of a social awareness and to that extent it has been helpful. It also has given me the idea that I need to act certain ways in order to get women and to not do what I really feel I wanted/needed to do because it's 'afc.' Fuck that though. I've learned some of the skill set and now am ready to put it in my arsenal of flexibility. For a while it became who I am but not nearly as much anymore. Pick up ruined my life, but then again sometimes you have to make a room messier before you can clean it up.

[tonatiuh8]

PICK UP really fucked how I looked at the world.

Its was PUA vs WORLD all day every day, 24/7 and it began to eat my soul bit by bit until I got really depressed. Gladly I found this site and as they say " the rest is history".

[daredevil15]

pick up really change my life and made a better new me.It thought me the reality that you can get any woman you like to have.-GIVE their Fantasy and they will be yours.

[tonatiuh8]

daredevil15: In what other way has PU change your life other then having options with girls?

[Villain]

Pick up was great for giving a theoretical background for trying to seduce women, but in all honesty it's just made me too self aware... my internal dialogue during a night out is going at a million miles an hour constantly asking "Is my body language projecting a strong image?" "Am I making eye contact" "is my energy level high?" "proximity alert or false alarm?"... it's just made me too aware of my actions...

[daredevil15]

IT made my persuasion skills effective,IT gives me lots of friends,many of the guys over there envy me,IT makes my life positive,It teach me not to be ethnocentric,but the most important thing it brings to me that man is innate dominant beings...


Tona... I did not include all things i have learned, not necessarily......

[the_ki]

Im re-reading venusians arts revelations and if anything its teaching me that I need to take better care of my life. Building my identity, not being so impulsive and short sighted.

Plus I really want to be able to consciously pick up girls in the night club environment.

No, to me its not just about learning 'tactics' and a ton of PUA scripts to fuck that girl. Its about building a strong identity and so they show their best self to meet my standard. THAT is why I am studying mystery method right now.

Reading this book I dont think mystery method comes in from a sense of lower power than the women. I think it's about being high status and high status guys attract girls without trying and then are like "yeah...so what do you bring to the table?" I wanna be THAT guy.

I think we stir something dark in ourselves. I used to be angry, I wanted power over people, lame.

[Hector M.]

PUA fucked my head up, as you can see from my journal posts.

Thanks Chiki. You've put my frustrations into perspective.

I simply worry about things no one else worries about. I know so much it hurts me, and no one else has a clue as to why.

It's as if I'm aware of problems most other people are simply not aware of, yet most of them get what they want. It's as if learning PUA has made me view the world as a battlefield, and I'm fucked up in the process.

In the beginning, I figured "I have these skills. I have POWER! I am better than the rest of these assholes!"...but I soon discovered everyone else was doing better than I was. Why was that?

"Just live life"
"Dont sweat small shit"
"It's not that big of a deal".

...to you it's not. I know enough to be tormented for life...unless someone shows us a way to utilize this information. Fuck.

[Point]

Well, I stumbled upon it when I was a little kid and the most important change that happened is that I became much more rational.
I could break the world into ones and zeros and draw conclusions. Especially human interactions (which I'm not sure I'd figure out alone), but not only that.
It affected my whole view.

[dmacfour]

I'd say pick-up made my view of women more emotionally detached than before. Detached to the point that I felt nothing emotionally towards my now ex girlfriend.