It seems some people are fake.

[Hector M.]

I knew it was to be expected, but I never knew it would drive them THAT far.

The brothers from Chi wont even make eye contact. So what If I quit? Not even giving common courtesy as PEOPLE is still dishonorable.

Seems that the brothers were dicks at heart, and only nice during rush week in order to recruit.

I'm not saying every brother is like that, but figuring they cant see past ex-pledges as people, they prove there's not that much behind them.

Fuck it man. Let them be them. I came to college to mingle and associate with EVERYONE. 16 people being haters is not a factor in my life. I'm just grieved at how people can be so one-minded. Shows where were headed in humanity.

...Well, now that the social proof with fraternity life is gone for me, It's gonna be 3x harder to build my own social proof, figuring I came from humble origins.

...That's a challenge..I'm up for.

[Titan]

Care to explain? :S

[Pav]

But now you're gonna become greater than any of those team-relying brothers aren't you BlackBull. AREN'T YOU!!!

[LINK]

i don't know why anybody would want to be a part of that anyways.
i am more than happy doing my own thing, living my own life.

[Hector M.]

Honestly, I wanted to see what it was all about. Say I did happen to make it, things would have went 100x easier.

But, as it goes in life, what seems easy, is actually insanely hard.

I might have to double, even triple my efforts now, as I am now a one man army...

To all those in college: I'm not stopping you from joining a frat, but realize that sometimes, the price of pledging isn't worth it.

[NickH]

what is the price, i dont completely understand it

[Nick Krygier]

no point in paying for friends anyways.

blackbull your going to tear that college apart

[Daniel Becerra]

I think it's time for someone to collaborate on the college sarging issue. Not that it's hard, it's easierrrr.
I'll be the first to do so, it will be under Romeo's Collaboration in a bit.
As for a frat, I don't have much experience with it but I have one member for one of my classes, it's pathetic to see how tired and sleepy he is during class, EVERY SINGLE DAY. Frats in my opinion is an intend to build power over the illusion of an atmosphere.

[Chikito]

It seems to be Blackbull you've been dwelling on this problem for a long time now a good few weeks. If i were you i would stop dwelling on it, its just frustrating you more. Move on, and get on with tearing that collage apart. Things will sort itself out in this situation, once you start becoming the 'guy' on campus and your social proof is sky high they will warm up to you and it will be your turn to turn them down.

For now though, move on man.

[Hector M.]

On that note, I am better, and have forgotten.

A note to keep distracted: Keep busy.

Focus on the big prize, but work on the loose ends as well. .

Thanks guys!

[Bob]

i'll make it easy on you blackbull... 99% of frats are this way. and about 95% of brothers in frats are this way because all the other ones get weeded out during the rush process...

The whole reason behind why you have to call each brother by a different name, not make eye contact, not smoke, drink, do drugs, or hook up with chicks is simply an issue of conformity these days...

initiations back in the early to mid 1900s were about prestige.. there was no hazing, no immature games of control, you didn't rush for fraternities.. they chose you.

The whole hazing aspect didn't start until the 1960s or so when everybody was doing drugs and were like, lets have fun and make people do stupid shit to get in.. back in the 60's to 80's hazing was just about making sure you could take shit and control you in order for you to join.. chivalry in fraternities to this day is a facade just to get into chick's pants.. that's it

Today in the fraternity system.. hazing and these procedures are all simply conformity.. over the last two generations frat brothers have been hazing those below them just because it happened to them when they were pledges.. the process has lost it's meaning and is not a pointless act to mess with you while maintaining the facade it's to build trust and brotherhood... yeah, they have to weed people out but they go about it all wrong.

If anybody has seen the movie Skulls then you'll see what I mean.. that was how fraternities worked in the beginning for the most part. you were chosen.. they had you do some stuff but nothing like the elephant walk and what not... except they murder generally wasn't part of the scene... and they didn't make you drug yourself

[Drak_ool]

Originally Posted by BlackBull

I'm just grieved at how people can be so one-minded. Shows where were headed in humanity.

don't be so desperate about humanity as a whole... these guys are frat boys, some of the worst representatives of human kind. And they became frat boys BECAUSE they are so one-minded. Proud of you that you got out of that circle

Originally Posted by BlackBull

...Well, now that the social proof with fraternity life is gone for me, It's gonna be 3x harder to build my own social proof, figuring I came from humble origins.

i know some schools are big on the greek lifestyle, and if that is the case at your school then you might have some trouble at first. But where i went to school, only stupid, slutty, immature girls (i think they re called "sorority girls") were impressed with frat boys. The girls that i actually wanted to hook up/hang out with had nothing but contempt for them...

[EvoJ]

Also, as a point you might want to see the frat that doesn't like them. (Yeah, almost every frat that I have talked to has another frat that they hate. Like on the campus near me the ATO's hate the DeltaChi's.)

You could always go over to them and mention how They weren't right for you and so you left and wanted to find somewhere that matched up with your ideals better.

Being in a Frat helps later in life man. I am not in one but I see its effects through alot of my friends.

EvoJ