AFC's? Think again!

[Bob]

For all of you guys who are new to pickup or still struggling to get out of this "AFC" status. This is something you should read and pay close attention to.

An AFC or Average Frustrated Chump is basically a word used to help you place yourself to find the next level you need to get to. Your goal is to become a PUA and later an mPUA.. These are honestly terms that we should get rid of.

WHY? Do you ask?.. The reason is simple. by labeling yourself you put that much more pressure on yourself to perform. and everybody hates performance anxiety.

For those of you who have approach anxiety as we call it.. you go up to a girl and tell yourself in your head "i can do this, I'm not an AFC, I'm not an AFC, i'm not an AFC" or something of the like.. this makes you that much more nervous to approach.

Now lets say we remove the term AFC from your vocabulary all together.. all you are is an aspiring PUA. Your goal now is not to be an AFC anymore.. but to aspire to go from a regular guy to PUAdom. there are no more AFCs or rAFCs.. etc etc. instead when you go out and are at a bar or party, instead of saying, "I can do it, I'm not an AFC".. tell yourself "I'm going to #closer her because I have the ability to" or "she's mine and she doesn't even know it yet."

If you fail then that's normal, you get rejected.. big whoop-dee-doo.. that's normal for anybody.. and while you may aspire to be a PUA.. is that really what you want to be? many PUAs still use canned material.. it's basically a term that says "you're a pick-up artist" whatever that means.. Do you want to be a Pick-Up Artist.. do you want to go around telling everybody you're a PUA?

When you go to a bar or party and see a guy get rejected you may think "what an AFC: or when you see a guy with all the ladies you might see him as a PUA.. what you don't see however is that most of these guys have no idea that there's a community for this or even know what an AFC or PUA is.. in fact, if you call them that you may get punched in the face (I've heard from people who this has happened to) because they think you're insulting them. What may be interesting to you is that these successful guys you see getting all the women are naturals.. the guys who get turned down are just fairly clueless and don't know how to play the game...IT'S THAT SIMPLE!

The goal of this forum is not to make Pick-Up a title or an art, but to incorporate pick-up into your lifestyle. As a part of it that compliments the rest of the life skills you possess. So instead of trying to be a star on your sports team, a shark at the poker table, or an AFC or PUA... your goal is to become a NATURAL. Some of us on the Round Table if not most of us don't use the terms PUA because it's not an art.. it's a skillset necessary in life just like motivation, hygiene, social skills, driving, etc..

What we have virtually all done is completely internalized the entire pick-up process. When we go into a scene we don't say to ourselves and plan out "i'm going to open her.. i'm going to run this routine... this one is my target and these are my obstacles... my wing has to disarm these two obstacles and i'm home free..." Ever tying is completely internalized and an inherent quality that we all possess. We do everything on the fly because it now becomes natural to us. We don't have to think ahead and plan what to to say or what routines to use. It just pops up when know it's time to use it.

This is the goal all of you should strive for. to become a NATURAL. We need to take AFC and PUA out of the picture because they are more labels to what we can accomplish than to who we are as an individual and our lifestyle. Really all we really are, are men who want the ability to pick up any women we can by learning and perfecting the skillset called Pick-Up in order to become a NATURAL.

it's fairly simple... so for all of you guys who are still learning. You are no longer AFCs.. you're simple men like all of us are who are striving to learn how to pickup women and do it naturally.

[Chikito]

Numen you know me better than myself! Im going to just say I hate the terminology of pick up, in fact the word pick-up artist has gotta be pretty nerdy. Im just a guy who learnt how to interact with women. This shouldn't be a skill that puts you ahead of the pack only. This is something all men should teach their son's. And just because a lot of PUA's can see the social dynamics going on in an interaction, they can tell who's validating who which makes them think their superior, that they start to lose respect for a lot of people which is dangerous. Don't be fooled your learning a life skill there are people out there who are just as knowledgeable as you will be just not consciously, who will burn you. I've been taken down by some people who totally played me to put me in my place because I felt superior to them and was ignorant. There are men out there who aren't great at getting women but might totally put you down on other things. What Im trying to say here is right from the beginning learn to be humble with your new skill, its powerful and there is already a really bad rep developing for us and I want to help more men, but I cant if the community continues to treat everyone else like their pawns.

When you learn about pick up try to internalize it all, it takes practice and alot of learning but im sure your going to be very motivated to find out everything. Try to familiarize yourself with all types of pick up not just the mystery method that way you can develop your own style that suits you best.

It might be difficult to get hold of all the ebooks but if your really stuck on it give me a pm and ill point you in the right direction.

Some other really useful websites:

www.bristollair.com
www.theseductionbible.com

[Kris Hansen]

If we're going to be tossing out AFC and rAFC, I'd like to suggest we also ditch PUA, mPUA, PUG, eliciting values, the M3 model in its entirety, the pseudo-scientific theory the M3 model is based on (50 person societies; bleh), target, set, etc.

This community has a very strange lingo, and most if it is used to replace words we already have. Let's get rid of them.

Also, the HB1-10 system is terrible. A 10 to me is a 4 to you is a 6 to someone else. Besides which, why are we rating a woman based entirely on her physical appearance?

[Ian Smith]

I've never been fond of the PUA lingo, its nerdy, end of story.

Not to mention it's repetitive and overall, a waste of brain capacity.

Sarging = Going outside of your house and interacting with people, 1000 words could be used her, all of which are more descriptive and intelligent.

HB = A woman of some aesthetic value to the person telling the story or rating her, basically a worthless scale that tells the listeners nothing about her actual character, or even looks for that matter. I've seen guys rate HB10 on a girl that I wouldn't screw with Monkey's dick.

AFC = Someone who isn't living their lives to the full potential

mPUA = Usually a forum dweeb who has established his name as such, or the winner of Mystery's crappy T.V. show (who I also learned is a major douchebag after speaking with him for only 2 minutes)

PUG = Someone who usually just wants your money, and really cares very little about your self-growth and livelihood in general.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

[Bob]

for all of you guys who are fairly new on here.. we want your opinions on all of these labels and how it affects your game and makes you feel, etc etc. by giving us your opinions we can further help you improve yourselves and tailor programs specifically for you

[ruuyzaki]

i am unaffected by labels. i think its kind of nerdy and that it doesnt change my game in any way.

[Hector M.]

...I just got an idea for a humorous post.

Check back in a few moments....

[NickH]

LOL funny that you mentioned that because I was on another forum and someone posted their myspace so I check it out. First thing I saw was his headline, which read "If you are an AFC or an AMOG, I will....." dont't remember the rest, but it was stupid, really stupid. If you are to use the terms, keep them on the forum, do not use them in real life, you sound like a douche. His intro and about me were hysterical. It had more terms and bullshit about him being a PUA.

[LINK]

I think we naturally judge our attraction based on looks first, thus the HB scale.

[Bob]

I'd also like to add that from this point on everybody should stop using #/K/F-close. while it may not be nerdy like the other terms, it is quite immature and reserved like it's for middle schoolers.

If you "#-closed somebody" then last night you got a number, or 3 numbers"
If you "K-closed somebody" you made out with a chick.. or made out with 5 chicks for that matter"
If you "F-closed somebody you had sex or got laid..
it's pretty simple and using these shortened and reserved terms makes it seem like you're talking about this stuff in youth group and like it's a bad thing.. it's a great thing and means you're doing well or better than you were before with women. now keep it up

[Doment]

i completely agree with what your saying

if you label yourself a AFC then it truly will make you more nervous, knowing your not a master or close to it, rejection would become very inevitable, along with looking like another dick weed infront of her along with all the other so called 'AFC's' that have approached her.

yet if you think to yourself ''she IS mine'' , well not even think it.. KNOW it, and let all the openers, routines simply come to you in the moment, don't prepare, let it come 'NATURALLY' as bob explained and then this skill is your lifestyle, you have the knowledge built in to do what most men envy.

Cheers Bob, to open our eyes.

[wintresting habanera]

I think terms and acronyms are fine, they were just invented like in other sciences, to help express an idea...though some go a bit far in this...uh..medium.

What i find particularly fun to do is to drop PUA rhetoric in/around parties..it makes for some interesting results...first, you will find fellow pua's in the field whom you may not know..second it usually demonstrates a small amount of value. for instance, a person says, "Man, Robert just got slapped by that girl he was going for over there!" then you might say, (assuming the conversation is open) "yeah, Roberts yet another poor AFC..." some may laugh at the mention, but most will ask you to define the term, because almost everyone likes to hear what the deal is with little quirky terms and acronyms like: skeet, krunk, THO...etc.
If its not really long and/or esoteric, most people dont even question it, and accept it into their collective slaying lexicon. and you get cast as an authority on the matter, raising your social status, however little...

[Gammbit]

yeah if ur getting rid of AFC and PUA why dnt u just get rid of this forum alltogether,

y the does it bother people that they are termed as an AFC? AFC is so that people who know wot they are talking abt know who to help, its terminalogy, its just tradition now.
the fact i called myself an AFC helped push me, i wanted to become greater, and i thank it, if u get into pick up, then most people want to suceed. i dnt understand y everyone is trying to make this all cushy.
is this a site for pua's or for 30 year olds to talk abt there hobbys?

maybe u will disagree with me yet again for the way i look at things, i am sorry but i come from a different place than everyone on here and im a naturally very blunt person. i disagree with wot u are saying for the basic fact that its a pointless thing to talk abt, nobody cares abt terms, all they do is identify wot level u are at.

y get rid of it?

[NickH]

We are actually all past our 40's kiddo.

[mrmanhoman213]

I don’t know most of these terminology AFC ,PUA and the others
but I guest if people are using them it is perhaps just short cut
as is used in many other speciality subjects the main thing is to know
What they mean. if the meaning is not positive then people could always
Introduce other more positive terminology
http://beta.url-lite.com/h_akmtz

[Elyts]

its just PUA lingo, its nothing special and in fact its kind of useless really, its just because we want to be sexy and cool like that and the meaning doesnt always have to be positive, for instance LMR is not necessarily good but we can MAKE it good

for instance AFC=average frustrated chump, PUA=pickup artist lol like either we really wanna have our own thing going on or we as a community are too lazy to type out the full words

[Hector M.]

Solid truth here. Definitely.

By labeling an acronym to who you are as a person, you force your subconscious to acknowledge what the term is associated with.

Label yourself an AFC -----> You take on behaviors of a weak-willed chump, as the acronym defines.

Label yourself as a PUA-in-training -----> You take on behaviors of a PUA-in-training.

Label yourself as (Insert label/acronym here) -----> You take on behaviors of (Insert label/acronym associated qualities).

The subconscious cannot differentiate between genuine and false facts. If you think you see a green monster in the trash, and you keep convincing yourself "That damn green monster's in the trash, your conscious will brush it off as nonsense, but your subconscious will believe there's a green monster in the trash (And you'll be labeled "Crazy AFC who's a weak-willed chump". =p )

Be yourself. Find your advantages, and remind yourself of them.

On that note, stop using the acronyms when describing others. You'll label a perfectly normal, nervous guy as an AFC, when he may be feeling pressured and agitated due to social anxiety.
Once you associate another with a label, when YOU feel that feeling in another situation, you'll associate YOURSELF as one, due to subconscious association.

To hell with labels. Be yourself.

[daredevil15]

hhmm i get your point....good post

[rjmlvv]

All the acronyms and terminology is just a point of view.
It doesn't really mean anything about you as a person.
If you DO let it mean something about yourself, you need to do some work on your boundaries/preferences