NLP - Good or Bad

[Wodewick]

Ok, I want to get things straight. I don't use Neuro Linguistics Programming at all. Not because I'm too lazy to learn it but... well, actually yes, I am too lazy to learn it, but I also think it's slightly wrong.

I might be wrong but I see NLP as a way of making people attracted to you through positive emotions anchored around a movement or words. Is this not tricking people into liking you? A back handed way of getting into bed with them?

What happens when you have a fight and she hates your guts? Do you just use a bit of NLP and make things better again?

This is how I see things but there seems to be a lot of PUAs out there using it these days. Am I missing out on something here. Is it actually a good way of making friends and making your way through life?

So I guess my first question is 'Do you use NLP?' And secondly, 'Do you see it as an acceptable form of PU?'

Cheers.

Wode

[Ray Casanova]

Scripts and routines are just as bad, you're still tricking her. I've never used NLP, however I do think that it's all how you apply it. Anthony Robbins once mentioned how he made himself associate pain with overeating, using anchoring techniques. I think it's beneficial for those who need help with self discipline.

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It can be used for many other uses in life, such as public speaking, motivational speaking, job interviews, clients, etc.
Want to grab the audience's attention, pump them up, get them excited about what you talk about? Use NLP to do this.

NLP is not Godlike abilities. You're not hijacking their minds into making girls sleep with you.

[ice~]

where can i read about NLP?

[Wodewick]

Yeah, I think I want to find a good book out there somewhere. Any suggestions?

[Howitzer Method]

I suggest you guys forget about this complicated technologies until you achieve the level of personal success which will allow you to get at least one new girl per week. And after that you will realize that you don't need to use crutches. I think nlp is much more about therapy and self-development than about pick-up, and if you are an interesting person you don't need to use this stuff at all.

[Daniel Becerra]

An Introduction to NLP by Joseph O' Connor is a good book to begin with, according to my friend. He has read it and he says that it doesn't promote hypnosis to get women, but get a deeper understanding of yourself. And I believe him.

[Nick Krygier]

The thing about NLP is that once one takes the courses to master NLP and gain that understanding of social interactions on a much deeper and intimate level they most likely won't even use it that often. Think of a black belt in karate, they don't even need to fight.

NLP is powerful and can be Godlike in regards to seduction, I've seen it first hand. BUt you might go to hell because of it lol

In regards to personal growth and helping people, its FUCKING AMAZING.

[Chikito]

I am a certified practitioner of NLP and I can tell you now. 98% of the NLP world Hates and despises Ross Jeffories Speed Seduction and the branches of NLP Seduction that have come from it.


For one NLP has nothing to do with seduction, in fact NLP has nothing to do with public speaking or accelerated learning as it is hugely misunderstood by everyone who has not taken a proper course in it. It is in fact simply a way to teach you how to model things that work by studying the way humans do things like their tonality what words they use etc.

Here is a copied extract from my NLP trainers Blog putting it into words. Taken from: http://worldofnlp.com/
-By Stuart Tan

This is a strange article title to some, I believe.

The fact is I love NLP and what it can do, but I don’t really like NLP per se. Most of the theory behind it is actually an eclectic collection of different, well-known ideas, but it seems like there are a lot of individuals out there who think that NLP is not proven, or is pseudo-science (or worse, the religion Scientology).

I enjoy NLP for what it does for people. The basic premise is learn what works and model after it. Many modeling strategies that were formed were not out of the theory of human psychology. They were based on the practical reality of human behavior.

In other words, if I need to get people to achieve good results, there is always a configuration in that desired outcome that allows it to happen. I don’t know if people understand this, because NLP does not give you a “solution” immediately. It does, however, give you the ability to think around the problem to arrive at that solution. So, really, it’s like engineering. You’re creating the machinery and the system to get to where you need to go, with the exception that the machine is actually a metaphor for you.

So, you can tell it’s quite difficult to explain what NLP is. Here’s the definition I’ve always used:

“NLP is the factory that builds vehicles to where you want to go. Modeling is the power button.”

See, the NLP methodology of modeling a person’s linguistic pattern has many correlations to the concepts I learnt in linguistics and discourse analysis. In reality, we study people through their language anyway. It’s just that whenever it’s not 100% within our control, we may “misunderstand”. Psychology doesn’t explore much about “misunderstanding” but I know discourse analysis does. Within the conversational explorations of language, Bandler and Grinder, co-founders of NLP, discovered some processes in our natural language. During the same time, pragmatics was being turned into an entire field of study.

For the uninitiated:-

Syntax - structure of language;

Phonology - sounds in language;

Semantics - meaning in language;

Pragmatics - meaning in conversation and use.

It’s interesting to note that there are some people who use the term “Semantic” but they aren’t really getting the point behind NLP. NLP is very pragmatic because it uses conversation as the main leverage tool. As far as I can tell, it is through interaction (not just verbal conversation alone) that change happens. It’s natural, and we know it from our social interactions, too.

Many people have attempted to talk about NLP in scientific statistical terms. I prefer to think of it as conversing. I think anyone who wants to run NLP trainings should pay attention to the delivery of the training more so than the techniques of the training. Or else NLP might just turn out more boring than you’d like it to be.

Actually, I’ve pondered about running a “live” physical NLP Practitioner training again for some time. Some people have put the thought in my mind, and usually when that happens, the thought turns into reality after some time.

It is very interesting and I highly suggest you read books on it and If you can take a course on it. It changed my life and will do yours if you are open to it. It can get a bit complicated and the best way to find out what it is, is simply to experience learning it.

Seduction through NLP is simply one tiny segment of a whole world devoted to modeling and studying why some humans excel at different things and thus utilizing the findings to benefit the practitioner.